I'm sorry, but I'm not buying that. To be perfectly honest, I doubt it.

He chose to use the term, let him defend it. Or apologize for it. It is not a neutral term, and if he didn't understand that before, I sincerely hope he does now.

Redwolf

Well, I'm certainly not trying to sell (i.e., convince you of) anything – hrumph.

I just thought that it was not a literal comment that was meant to be taken seriously – surely nobody would seriously compare child abuse to "Urban" Irish, right?

Oh well, as you mentioned in your last post, I'm not the guy who actually said it – I was just giving you my personal take on it and trying to hopefully calm things down a bit.

You know what? When you've been involved with this group for as long as I have (10 years, in January!), you're no longer surprised by what people "mean." Most of the people who love and promote this language are good people, and occasionally people put their foots in their mouths, but there are some real assholes out there as well. Personally, I have zero tolerance for anyone who would accuse users of "Urban Irish" of "child abuse."

As I said, he said those words. If he doesn't understand what "child abuse" really means, I can give him an earful (Jesus...I wish I couldn't!). He can explain or apologize, but the words were said, and at least two people...Irish speakers and parents who know what child abuse means... were offended by them. If he didn't mean it, he bloody well needs to fix it.

Not blaming you, but let's let the person who actually made that accusation defend it (or not).

Not. Fucking. Acceptable.

Redwolf

I agree.
Love of the language is what's important.
For obvious reasons I'd prefer original Irish dialects to be to the fore too. Especially in Irish schools. I think Urban Irish is a misunderstood term, and a contentious one. Sorry I if was the one who first mentioned it.

Patrick, I know you didn't mean child abuse literally, but it is a bit offensive.

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I couldn't imagine he actually meant it was child abuse or anything near it in any meaningful way, sometimes i hear people here use the term child abuse for much more benign acts, e.g. not buying your daughter a ice cream when you pass the ice cream shop and she gets visibly upset. I often hear it used in that manner.

As for children's partys in native Irish, they do exist in the Gaeltacht, brought my daughter to one recently.

Even if the Irish isint perfect, I still think it far better that people go out and use what they have, rather than not have any events through Irish. The only negative is that a heavily anglicized version of the language is often seen as the norm, as its what people heard from teachers and some (not all) speakers of this Irish don't see any need to improve or adopt a more native way of talking .

If people make the effort to get out and others make the effort to encourage natural Irish then there is potential for improvement. But if people stay at home because their Irish isnt perfect and native speakers stay away cause the quality of Irish is low, then it will never improve.

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I've never had a party for me, as a child or adult.

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Never ? not even a birthday party as a kid?

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Bíonn rudaí maithe mall

In my day people didn't do that in Conamara (maybe the buicíní did alright).
When my mother was young people rarely celebrated birthdays at all.

It's normal practice for todays Gaeltacht kids.

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I will do an mp3 file on request for short translations.
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That's exactly the problem that was mentioned in the child "abuse" post.

That is my definition of Urban Irish too.

Urban Irish is not just non-Native Irish. I know a lot people with learned Irish that is better than my own. It is that anglicized Irish with bad grammar and pronunciation from people who make no effort to improve it. And often look down on more correct Irish. Neither Saoirse or Redwolf are in that category.

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I will do an mp3 file on request for short translations.
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