The thing is, if there was a specific definition, bad speakers wouldn't be able to hide behind the label. In the end, Urban Irish is a pretty vague and non-specific thing....

The only one I can think of is Des Bishop's "Focal suas!" Fortunately, he meant it as a joke. (He then got into an argument with himself about whether it should be "focal suas" or "focal shuas")

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Táim ag foghlaim fós. Fáilte roimh gach aon cheartúchán.

It's interesting that you should mention that, Gumbi, because I have a very nice recording here of you before you went away to college with a lovely near-native accent with beautiful native r's (listen to go léir):

http://www.awyr.com/ILF/saewndfaylz/_Gu ... 20week.wma

Fair play to your father for trying to instill you with the right stuff.

After you went away to college, though, there was a definite anglicizing of your r's. Contrast the earlier recording with the one you posted for us here on ILF in this thread (the link is in the fifth post down):

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1150&p=9112

I was more than a little disappointed at how college had ruined your beautiful Irish. If you haven't already done so, I would encourage you to regain your awareness of the native sounds, particularly because I know you definitely have it in you to do it properly.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

That was one of the funniest scenes in the series!

Redwolf

It's not that I've "lost them" more that I'm less inclined to use them, most probably due to less immersion. It's something I'm aware of, which is one of the reasons i've started posting here again I comfort myself with the fact that I have a good base to fall back on if all else fails.

The main problem is lack of immersion; maximally I only have one solid speaker "in range".

Yes, unfortunately peer group pressure is causing a lot of native Gaeltacht children to take on an Urban accent to prevent being ridiculed by their non-native schoolmates.


Q: What do you call the theory that a dialect of Irish can be reconstructed from the English accent of people spoken by a particular region?

A: Urban Myth

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

I don't understand why there are people who claim they speak Glasgow Gaelic without feeling stupid. Everybody knows people don't speak Gaelic in Glasgow area, Glasgow is a Braid Scots-speaking area, and has been for centuries... And in Glasgow they can't use the pathetic excuse Dubliners use ("I'm Irish so I'm a native speaker of Irish and since I'm from Dublin I speak the Dublin dialect of Irish"), because everybody knows Scotland has 2 languages, Braid Scots in the south and east and Gaelic in the Highlands and islands. Only those who don't know anything about Scotland would believe there's a Gaelic dialect of Glasgow...

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

It's a little more complicated than that though, because Glasgow is something of an immigrant city -- a look at the local phone book shows a lot of Mcs and Macs (and indeed O's)....

You would be just as well claiming there's no such thing as Dublin English because Dublin was an Irish-speaking city before the establishment of the Pale....

Options are limited, too. I train 5 times a week, and college takes up a lot of time (especially the last month, projects and exams, both of which I am finished now). But I'm at home for 6 weeks now

it doesn't mean there's a Glasgow dialect of Gaelic. It would be like saying there's a Paris' dialect of Amharic because there are Ethiopian people in Paris.



Those who speak Gaelic in Glasgow are either native speakers from other places (Highlands or islands), or people who have learnt Gaelic in classes. So there's no Glasgow dialect of Gaelic. It's as simple as that.

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne