Bhris mo dheirfiúr mo ghob

Mick · **Joined:** Fri 18 Nov 2011 2:27 pm **Posts:** 622

Thanks to everyone who replied. I think I've got it now. :good:

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

WeeFalorieMan wrote:

Lughaidh wrote:

… it's a kind of y-sound but "fricative" …

Yeah, it's kind of like that, more or less.

Lughaidh wrote:

… pronounced mo yeh-r'ih-fuhr in Northern Donegal …

Oh, I always wondered why deartháir and deirfiúr were spelled like that. It's nice to see that that spelling is phonetic in at least one dialect!

I think deartháir had something got to do with the dearbhfhinne of old and evolved out of an older spelling like that.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

The old spelling of deartháir and deirfiúr are dearbh-bhráthair and deirbh-shiúr.

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Lughaidh wrote:

Quote:

gh...is at the top of the back of the throat, as if you are choking a bit but with the air still able to come thru.
dh...is lower

broad dh and gh are identical, and slender dh and gh are identical, if they are in the same phonetic context. Listen to the people and read dialect studies and you'll see

What makes you believe that there is a difference?

Ah that's what I was doing wrong a Lughaidh. i was just inventing the sounds meself! In fairness Ó Sé does have them listed as the same in certain contexts but-

The "dh" in dhún
and the "gh" in ghortaigh may sound the same to you but they are slightly different. I just have an excellent ear I suppose. Keep listening Lughaidh and you may eventually learn the difference too and get the famous Rossaí musicality. :lah:

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Lughaidh wrote:

The old spelling of deartháir and deirfiúr are dearbh-bhráthair and deirbh-shiúr.

Ya, that's the one. Good man Lughaidh.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Quote:

The "dh" in dhún
and the "gh" in ghortaigh may sound the same to you but they are slightly different. I just have an excellent ear I suppose. Keep listening Lughaidh and you may eventually learn the difference too and get the famous Rossaí musicality.

I said, but maybe you haven't read everything, that gh and dh are pronounced the same way when they are in the same phonetic context.
Which means that ghú and dhú are pronounced the same way, dhé and ghé are pronounced the same way, ghó and dhó are pronounced the same way, etc.
Dh and gh in dhún and ghortaigh aren't exactly identical because one is followed by ú and the other by o, and since ú and o aren't pronounced in the same place in the mouth, and the mouth isn't as open in both, the preceding consonant isn't exactly the same.
If ghún and dhortaigh existed (maybe they do ; ghúna exists) they would have identical sounds to dhún and ghortaigh.

Rossaí · **Joined:** Sat 01 Oct 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 231

Lughaidh wrote:

Quote:

The "dh" in dhún
and the "gh" in ghortaigh may sound the same to you but they are slightly different. I just have an excellent ear I suppose. Keep listening Lughaidh and you may eventually learn the difference too and get the famous Rossaí musicality.

I said, but maybe you haven't read everything, that gh and dh are pronounced the same way when they are in the same phonetic context.
Which means that ghú and dhú are pronounced the same way, dhé and ghé are pronounced the same way, ghó and dhó are pronounced the same way, etc.
Dh and gh in dhún and ghortaigh aren't exactly identical because one is followed by ú and the other by o, and since ú and o aren't pronounced in the same place in the mouth, and the mouth isn't as open in both, the preceding consonant isn't exactly the same.
If ghún and dhortaigh existed (maybe they do ; ghúna exists) they would have identical sounds to dhún and ghortaigh.

That's a fair point. Now, back to business...how are you going to learn the musicality? :lah:

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Dé 'tá i gceist agad?

Redwolf · **Posted:** Fri 10 May 2013 4:22 am

Rossaí wrote:

Lughaidh wrote:

Quote:

The "dh" in dhún
and the "gh" in ghortaigh may sound the same to you but they are slightly different. I just have an excellent ear I suppose. Keep listening Lughaidh and you may eventually learn the difference too and get the famous Rossaí musicality.

I said, but maybe you haven't read everything, that gh and dh are pronounced the same way when they are in the same phonetic context.
Which means that ghú and dhú are pronounced the same way, dhé and ghé are pronounced the same way, ghó and dhó are pronounced the same way, etc.
Dh and gh in dhún and ghortaigh aren't exactly identical because one is followed by ú and the other by o, and since ú and o aren't pronounced in the same place in the mouth, and the mouth isn't as open in both, the preceding consonant isn't exactly the same.
If ghún and dhortaigh existed (maybe they do ; ghúna exists) they would have identical sounds to dhún and ghortaigh.

That's a fair point. Now, back to business...how are you going to learn the musicality? :lah:

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