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 Post subject: Re: A Riogain Uasail
PostPosted: Mon 04 Mar 2013 11:26 pm 
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Great work, franc! Now I see why some parts were so hard to make out. It never occurred to me that there would be so many place names and personal names, none of which I was able to make out.

I'm moving your text up into my original message, in case anyone stops there in this thread, so that they will have the right text. The liner notes do contain some spelling and grammar errors, though (which is quite common with liner notes for songs in Irish and Gaelic). I've fixed a few for now, and will work on this again when I get home tonight.

Particularly laughable is what you noted about them mixing up George (King George II) and Charles (Bonnie Prince Charlie) in the second-to-last verse, and the translation of that line is a total screw-up (and doesn't make any sense in the context of the succeeding line). I've made a quick re-translation of that line for now, but will think it through again later.

Annabeth: You may want to wait for a corrected version (others may also chime in with corrections), and note that the translation is somewhat loose in at least some places (I've only glanced through it for now).

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Mar 2013 3:30 am 
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Will do! Thanks for the tip :)


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Just to add a footnote - some time ago at the other place, we were asked to post up our favourite pieces of music that you can see on YouTube - one of mine is another track from the same CD -
Tha 'm buntàta mór/An Bairille/Boc liath nan gobhar - with a special mention for An Bairille that Muireann learnt from Séamus Ó Lúing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=raOhfgsft8I - Julie Fowlis and Muireann Nic Amhlaoibh (tomtscotland)


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Yes I love this one too!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: A Riogain Uasail
PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013 8:20 pm 
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Here's what is probably my final post on this thread, to say that I got the CD (with lyrics) and the poetry book, which did not include A Riogain Uasail, unfortunately, but which had a number of other great poems (including the one which became Mo Ghille Mear), and I've updated the full text and translation above with whatever else I've been able to learn. Even though the poetry book came without this song/poem, it came with a lengthy glossary and a discussion of personal and place names, which helped me figure out a few more things which had been unclear. There are still a few places where I'm unsure of the exact meaning of words, or the syntax, since a few words appear to be quite archaic (either entirely, or in the way they are used), but even in those places the essential meaning seems to be pretty clear.

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A Chaoimhín a chara - the book 'An Blas Muimhneach' still seems to be available from Udar.ie -
http://www.udar.ie/An-Blas-Muimhneach


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I know this board is several years old. However, I am posting to clear up the confusion over the Charles/George translation. Some people have said that the translator messed up by putting George instead of Charles, but if you look at the words and think about the historical context you can see the translator did not mess up. In verse 7 it is saying that, upon the victory of Bonnie Prince Charlie, Catholicism and godliness will reign and King George (the king of Great Britain who was fighting Charles at the time) will be left behind with nothing. It makes perfect sense.


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PostPosted: Sat 17 May 2014 6:02 pm 
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HistoryGeek07 wrote:
I know this board is several years old. However, I am posting to clear up the confusion over the Charles/George translation. Some people have said that the translator messed up by putting George instead of Charles, but if you look at the words and think about the historical context you can see the translator did not mess up. In verse 7 it is saying that, upon the victory of Bonnie Prince Charlie, Catholicism and godliness will reign and King George (the king of Great Britain who was fighting Charles at the time) will be left behind with nothing. It makes perfect sense.

Actually, the Scottish Gaelic in verse 7 correctly says Seòirse (= "George"). One of the translations erroneously has "Charles" instead of "George" (the opposite of what you have stated). So CaoimhínSF and Franc were correct in stating that the translator messed up.

CaoimhínSF has added all the corrections into his first translation above. :good:

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